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He would tell me gossip about corporate ceos. he would whisper in my ear, ask me to point this stuff. now they have launched a mole hunt to find out who the source. >> you have a couple of points in the book. the woodward book says it recounts mattis was particularly exasperated and alarmed at one point dealing with donald trump. i believe this was over the same south korea issue saying the president acted and had the understanding of a fifth or sixth grader. john kelly, his chief of staff, supposedly said he's an idiot. it is pointless to try to convince him of anything. he's gone all the rai...

Experience, on his side. >> i don't have direct experience with his children since they were young, but i believe those children live in terror of that man. they want his money, if he has any money. we'll find out when mueller gives his findings. but they want his money and they're terrified by him. they're also, like all children, desperate for the love of their parents. >> yeah. how does this end? not that you can foresee the future, but given trump's personality, his mental stability at this point, is he somebody who would leave office before his term? quit? resign? how does this end in you...

That's dangerous and maybe impaired. >> and has attention deficit disorder. we already know that when anyone in the executive branch wants to get a point across to him, they don't give him things to read. they draw pictures. they give him drawings. he's not a guy who reads. he doesn't pay attention to detail. the only thing in fact that he really zeros in on when details are involved is his own reputation, his own standing in the public eye. that's why he is reacting to the woodward book in the way he has. this whole notion of his team has come out that it's horrendous to be using anonymous so...

Woodward's book when it comes out on tuesday. >> tim, here's bob woodward sunday morning, earlier this morning. he's talking about this point made in the book that in order to prevent donald trump from signing dangerous orders like pulling out of a free trade agreement with south korea that has huge implications for national security for our 28,000 troops are there for bigger arrangements that trump insisted on pulling out of even though he was advised not to, this is bob woodward talking about staff taking the papers off his desk to stop him from doing it. >> so he wouldn't sign them because ...

Trump's wrath because of it with the new york times reporting that trump spent daelays days w about it. and so thank you all for joining us. gabe, you have a great piece out that says that everybody knows that everything in the op-ed is true. >> no, this is clearly a case and everyone knows inside fox news is true just that they declined to say it on tv. going back to the bill shine point, this highlights the fact when donald trump hired him, bill shine had no communications experience. he was a television programmer, rog roger ailes' lak ckey. so not surprising that he doesn't have a plan for...