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of election fraud were just lies. >> what they were proposing, that was nuts. >> the mayor was definitely intoxicated. law firms were not comfortable making the arguments that rudy giuliani was making publicly. >> evidence today that former president trump knew he lost, and kept telling lies about it. >> the president accepted that. he said, okay, fine, but what about the others? >> i told them that it was -- it was crazy stuff, and i was doing great, doing service for the country. >> and why the investigation now involves fundraising off claims that were notably false? >> not only w...

That they are doing a good job covering across the country because it is landing everywhere. >> to get a felony, you need bad act, bad goal, and they proved bad goal, that state of mind, over and over today. >> >> can i tell you one thing that before these hearings that i changed my mind over time, i thought we would find something that trump had no good faith belief at all in these fraud claims and that would have to be proven for a criminal implication, you are i now believe you should no longer expect to see that, and if trump said oh, the election was being stolen by martians and the elect...

Signatures, you get the superpacs that come into reinforce party or doxy. jeff flake would have faced continues of millions of dollars in negative ads from the superpacks. the name you mentioned, michael bloomberg, that gets some interest because he has the stature and financial resources to establish an independent movement and fight back. but the final thing i would say, michael, what we really need, in my opinion, is more of your viewers, more americans to vote in those primaries. so that it's not just eight or 9%, it's 30% or 40% or 50%, take back the process. moderates, independents, peop...