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To not vote for trump and have electors coalesce around a more moderate such as john kasich. but john kasich released a statement saying i am not a candidate for president and ask that electors not vote for me when they gather later this month. creator of the electors trust project who also ran as a democratic presidential candidate. there are laws in these states, i think 30 states, 29 states, if i'm not mistaken, to bind electors for this very reason, no one gets in there and votes mischief. there are some now talking about breaking that. you say they should do that. aren't you telling them ...

Creator of the electors trust project who also ran as a democratic presidential candidate. there are laws in these states, i think 30 states, 29 states, if i'm not mistaken, to bind electors for this very reason, no one gets in there andotes mischief. there are some now talking about breaking that. you say they should do that. aren't you telling them to break the law? >> well, there's a law called the constitution that came first. it's the constitution that creates these electors. they're federal offices. these state laws that purport to restrict what these federal electors can do are just not...