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What percentage of players do you think are using -- >> it's less than before. >> give me a number. >> i don't know. >> 20%? >> i don't know. >> the point is, if 20% of the league -- that's just baseball, but are using peds, make them legal. >> but clearly cheating. and that's what -- >> why don't they go after other 500 -- >> that's a great question. out of everybody that was suspended, he goes through the arbitration process. and he decides that's not good enough. because he's about to lose. i'm suing baseball for going after me, andrea. >> you can't just go out of the rules. saying the unio...

What percentage of players do you think are using -- >> it's less than before. >> give me a number. >> i don't know. >> 20%? >> i don't know. >> the point is, if 20% of the league -- that's just baseball, but are using peds, make them legal. >> but clearly cheating. and that's what -- >> why don't they go after other 500 -- >> that's a great question. out of everybody that was suspended, he goes through the arbitration process. and he decides that's not good enough. because he's about to lose. i'm suing baseball for going after me, andrea. >> you can't just go out of the rules. saying the unio...

Braun. ryan braun, who successfully won in an arbitration and had his suspension overturned on a positive drug test, saw what was going on with tony bosh and biogen sis, and he said i'll take the 65 games. what they have, i'm told by those who have seen it, is so much more, ten times more. alex rodriguez is picking a fight, and be i don't believe he's picking the right fight. this is a fight he cannot win. it's going to be even more embarrassing if that's possible, bill, what's going to come out, and i just don't see why he's going down this path. it will go through the postseason, it will con...

>> because evidently baseball has a lot more on alex rodriguez than merely pd use. and what they were just talking about could be obstructing the investigation. lying to baseball's investigators in the past, recruiting other players to be clients of biogen sis. it is clear from baseball actions here is more evidence of rodriguez against all of these other players. jon: and we should find out monday. >> that is the hope, but we've heard a lot of different timelines with this. who knows? we could even find out today, but this is taking time x it's taking time for a reason, because it's very comp...

Place that allowed for testing back then, so it didn't go into place until 2004. now he's accused in 2010, and '12 of being involved with biogen sis, a clinic in miami, an anti-aging clinic and using performance-enhancing drugs and possibly human growth hormone and all all of the details wille spilled out, but they have a lot of evidence. heather: what do you think's going to happen to a-rod specifically? >> well, that's what's being negotiated right now with major league baseball. he wants due process. his attorney has said he will appeal and fight this, but they seem to have backed off that....