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>> let's talk about a little timeline here, ali. what is realistic? and let us not forget, folks are going home, you've got thanksgiving, you've got christmas, it always feels like once you get into the election year, then their focus goes away from what actually is happening on the hill and how they get reelected. so is there any pressure in terms of a timeline? and are we going to see something today? >> well, look, they're pressure in terms of the timeline. jake and i are probably talking to the same lawmakers who are frustrated by how long this has taken. there are some who wanted to see a...

The congressional budget score, they'll have to wait. that's a holdup in the house. we're hearing that from senators. both the house and the senate are supposed to be gone next week. no one likes to cut short their recess especially when everybody has been working hard the last few weeks on negotiating this. but even if the house were to move forward on this, in the perfect world, what if they cleared both bills tonight? that still means that larger social spending package is going to sit in the senate for several weeks, because they have to do a congressional budget office score. they also ha...

White house calls it human infrastructure. but the point the leadership and the white house, frankly, is making, is let's make some progress here, we've been stuck at this for months. and there is something to that. they could pass this kind of procedural motion that will start the process. there are just a lot of moderates who are dug in and want to understand how much this package is going to cost before voting on it. and quite frankly, that doesn't seem like an absurd point of view. they only know a fraction of what the cost will be. they're not going to get the cost until the week of thank...