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He is representative of both the destruction and the hope. and i'm not giving away the ending by saying that because i think there are parts of his experience being rehabilitated, moments of it even when you see he's doing okay that are just -- it just doesn't look right to see a bird have to go through something like this and just to be in captivity, it's easy to forget that even being in captivity, there are all of these watchful i eyes and everyone is trying to take care and rehabilitate these birds. it's very traumatic for these birds being handled. when we made the film we made it a point...

Living became a metaphor for good news and the bird dying becoming a metaphor for the gulf dying? how worried were you going through the process? >> that's a good point. i think we really had to understand that the bird would be iconic whether he lived or died, because really, this bird, he is representative of both the destruction and the hope. and i'm not giving away the ending by saying that because i think there are parts of his experience being rehabilitated, moments of it even when you see he's doing okay that are just -- it just doesn't look right to see a bird have to go through someth...