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Middle and he basically grabbed them. he grabbed all the available votes, pretty much, after proving he was crazy. so it is possible that trump who is not crazy, even saying crazy things, could win the presidency as a third party candidate? >> the way he's branding himself now is making it more difficult. maybe he can pivot a little bit within the republican field and having gone to the birther side, tout his business credentials later on. >> do you think he might pull back from the crazy stuff? >> i think he's made a splash now, and that it would behoove him as you get into new hampshire, for...

Issue of birtherism, with donald trump, and it looks like a line that he'll have to honor. he won't be able to jump over to the birther side. disadvantage or advantage? >> well, you know, i think it's a very conservative electorate, but at the same time, you do have some independents who vote in those primaries, especially in new hampshire, michigan, states like that, for example. you know, mitt romney kind of ran to the center right of that field four years ago, and it looks like a run to the kind of left or center left. this time because everyone else is more conservative also. but trump, i ...

Campaign. but for trump, it might have kind of started out as a joke, but he wakes up now and sees himself and he's a very competitive guy tied for the lead or running a solid second or third in polls, maybe he has to take it seriously now. i don't think he'd do very well -- >> are the voters serious? voters voted for ross perot after he said that north koreans had run across his lawn, after he was making incredible statements that suggests that he have had certifiably nuts, and after that, 19% of the country -- 40% is liberal, 40 is -- there's only about 20% in the middle and he basically gra...

Maybe he can pivot a little bit within the republican field and having gone to the birther side, tout his business credentials later on. >> do you think he might pull back from the crazy stuff? >> i think he's made a splash now, and that it would behoove him as you get into new hampshire, for example, where it's more threatening than most, to pull it back a little bit. he's going to have to anyway, at some point if you want to win the nomination and run against obama. >> by the way, working at fox has turned out to be kind of the roach motel. i mean, anybody who's going over there to work seem...

Spoon-fed, i think, to republican voters right now. and certainly romney and pawlenty have a decent chance, but they have to go more viral, so to speak, and get out there, and move at least from being at 4% in the polls to 8 or 9 or 10%, so they can be taken a little bit more viably. >> weren't you impressed, i don't know if you ever say you're impressed, but i'm allowed to say it here when i'm impressed. i'm impressed that mitt romney had the cajones, to use a spanish word, to say he's an american he's drawn a line in the sand between him on this issue of birtherism, with donald trump, and it...