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And all the above, it's quite the opposite. i also think it's time, and i know in the post goldwater era there's the unwritten rule in the psychiatric community that nobody diagnoses from afar, but i don't think he's a well guy period. >> when you start doing things, mark halperin, that are against your best interest. during the campaign he did all these horrible things, right? but you could say they are horrible things but there's going to be a segment of his base that will actually vote for him because he's talking about the birther stuff or he's talking about this or he's talking about that...

Barack obama. not healthy. something is deeply wrong with this man that he cannot show -- hell, he's not even a day trader, he's a minute trader. he keeps -- again, here is the critical thing. don't say, please, on twitter, stop being stupid. don't be stupid and say you should have known this was coming because of what he did with the birther stuff. i will say it again, donald trump cynically knew if he played the birther card that 45% of the republican party would be in support of him and say, hey, that's our guy. he's saying what nobody else will say. that was in his self-interest. it was of...

Person and tv guy, we didn't see this kind of hatred. some people thought he was annoying, some people didn't like his style, okay. but when i would go to a game with him, most of the people would applaud when he came up on the jumbotron. it wasn't this way. but now that he is a politician, gutfeld, all right, that has changed dramatically, even though, as you rightly pointed out, one of the few times ins your life that you are correct, he is not an ideologue, not aou conservative thumper. >> i, like you, noticed this b when he and i would go for long walks on the beach. everyone was very happ...

Of hatred. some people thought he was annoying, some people didn't like his style, okay. but when i would go to a game with him, most of the people would applaud when he came up on the jumbotron. it wasn't this way. now, that he is a politician, gutfeld, that has changed dramatically, even though, as you rightly pointed out, one of the few times in your life, that you are correct, he is not an ideologue, not a conservative thumper. >> i, like you come in notice test, would he and i would go for long walks on the beach. everyone was very happy to see him. not much anymore. i think he is taking ...

Kellyanne conway would never come on this program. there are programs on other networks they will never go on and they are all doing very, very well. rachel maddow got kellyanne conway once but it's not going to be frequent. rachel is doing fantastically well. without having this constant access journalism game. >> well, there's a myth withdrew ha you have to have certain people on to get good ratings and there's not direct coalition. the fact -- every time donald trump went on in 2015, 2016, cable networks saw their ratings spike so that became almost like a drug, you know, we need to get him...