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Your show earlier today. there's no amount of jobs or financial interests to the united states that compensate for our credibility overseas. and i think that saudi arabia is underestimating the risk here as to what congress could do in pulling back that arms sale. >> marc, if you were in the white house still, how would you advise the president on this? >> well, i would advise the president, i think you have to come clear and say that if evidence proves true that this journalist was killed by the saudis, that that has to be something that is denounced sooner and has to be without any ambiguity...

Though, he's raised the stakes for action. >> and as you say, the question for something like that when it comes to leadership, with the amount of power in that office, is not how well executed the event was, which makes it action makes it real, and no action is not good. tonight we have a lot to get to, including a special interview, building on that discussion in gun control. and my remarks later tonight on why we might be, might be living through something different right now on action on gun reform and gun violence, a very important miss piece of a large story. also our lead story toni...

Proper determination needs to be made. there's a couple of causes of t action. you can to united, you improperly removed. it's harm would come to me that these individualsing ad in a way that was unreasonable. didd not use reasonable force. apparently when he was in the chair and trying to get him out the seat, he hit his face. they're dragging him out. goodness gracious. >> bill: they'll settle with the guy. the guyld will walk away with maybe couple million bucks. >> this isn't playing well for united. >> bill: but again, i don't think united airlines is to be demonized for this incident. i ...

There was collusion at some level, passable at least, between the trump people and the guy helping him win the election over in moscow. to me that's the big story, or it's not? >> the fact is, general flynn doesn't matter. what matters is the president. and why has he had this attitude through the campaign and his president to have this remarkable deference to russia? i would say i think the cause and effect is the reverse in terms of leaks. i think the fact that the president wasn't going to act prompted people to be willing to leak. now he's mad at the leaks because it forced him to act, but...

That's that fight, the fact that lasts a considerable amount of time that there's a lot of screaming about. the burden of proving who started it action and the burden of proving the issue of whether it's not self-defense rests squarely with the prosecution, it's hard for them to get around that. >> lisa, you have focused our attention on the actual physical -- the physicality of that scrimmage, that fight at the end. here's what i'm referring to in terms of how it came up today. in his closing arguments, he also brought up this potentially key detail of the screams in the background of the nei...