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Why would boris johnson want to invite that catastrophe? >> because there are -- he says, there are free trade deals to be had. also, let me put this in a u.s. context if i can. you have johnson who thinks that actually westminster parliament is the swamp. i am the envoy of the people. he has a special adviser who is bit bannon-esque. yes, there may be pain. he believes he is the person to sort it out. with free trade deals with america, you may have a few months of turbulence but you will be better off. that's the argument that donald trump would make and that's the argument that johnson is m...

Pain. >> that's a nice callback. that actually is clarifying. the things that he is losing these votes on is the basic -- he wants to keep the party behind him saying, we're going to get a no deal brexit. that's what they are losing votes on. they are losing that because people are like, that's insane, we're not going to have toilet paper and pharmaceuticals. but you think -- that sounds nuts. everyone says that's a disaster. why would boris johnson want to invite that catastrophe? >> because there are -- he says, there are free trade deals to be had. also, let me put this in a u.s. context if...