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They have the makings of a credible gap for the administration. how are they handling that right now? >> yeah, joshua, i think you -- you see how they're handling it in the ever-evolving way that the -- the president, himself, is responding to this. um, let's start with the fact that he felt the need to address this issue three times last week. after essentially dismissing it as -- as finished business the week before. most recently, yesterday, in -- in that clip you played which -- which is the first time he had taken questions on afghanistan in -- in many, many days. he seemed a bit defensiv...

Which is the first time he had taken questions on afghanistan in -- in many, many days. he seemed a bit defensive. he seemed to be making the case that the most important thing here is that americans get out safely, and that we end the war. he said, repeatedly, in different forms, you know, you know that i wanted to end this war. ending the war is the right thing. and that really is the way that the -- the bottom line of the way the white house is responding. which is that, you know, the public opinion is on the side of ending the war. and although the current situation is messy, the president...

That humanity, and listen, it comes on a day when we've seen a baby lifted above those thronging crowds to a u.s. marine who had to rescue that child. also, on a day when we know that a 19-year-old afghan soccer player fell to his death from one of those planes that was taking off, so the president at this point can't be so dismissive and so kind of clinical, i think, in his responses and focusing on being right and making an argument. so, today, you did see a very different shift in tone. you always wonder about biden, which biden will show up, right? he is someone who is known to have a chip...

Alliance between the house of saudi and the house of trump made intuitive sense with them, particularly after their intense relationship with president obama. have the saudis played trump here? >> they certainly got a pretty good deal. this saudi officer was a yemen officer and one of the travel band list of companies. president trump would have had a very different reaction. you know, he's given them a free ride in yemen. the block cade of qatar, the kidnapping of ha writer ra, jam an khashoggi to a large degree. the list goes on and on. you know, you can make it defensive in the sense that s...

Night for two new generation candidates, mayor buttigieg of south bend and particularly for kamala harris, the senator from california. i think they took full advantage of the platform tonight. i think it was a tougher night for the most seasoned candidates on the platform. >> why do you think that was? >> because they seemed like part of the past rather than the future. at times the vice president seemed somewhat confused to me in handling some of the questions and following some of the -- he seemed a bit defensive, and bernie sanders, we joked earlier, he might have been a hologram because a...