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Who has had clear issues and is trying his best to deal with them through whatever adaptive technology you need to deal with them. it's a really interesting moment. it's going to test voters in pennsylvania see which one -- is it empathy versus the other side. right now it's not been an empathetic country. we'll see how it plays out. >> in some ways it's weird how oz has made the fact that he's a doctor kind into a little bit of a liability. he did another interview this week where he was confronted with his campaign's attacks on fetterman. here is how he responded to that. >> i have tremendou...

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Opinions will talk about that impact. >> yeah. it's palpable, it stands out. >> well, and i think it's reflected in my writing as a result. >> yeah. >> now, people confuse being conscious of impact as influencing the decision you make so that you feel sorry for someone. >> empathy became a dirty word somehow in your confirmation process. >> exactly. >> president obama clearly believes that you measure up to his empathy standard. that worries me. >> call it empathy, call it prejudice or call it sympathy, but whatever it is, it's not law. >> to the extent that i've always defined empathy as can ...

Myself anymore if i do this. i just have to move on. >> this is about his redemption. >> i know you and a lot of people worked on the edwards' campaign. is it empathy with the staffers? a lot of these politics have crazy business going. >> there is some crazy business going. >> not anybody you have worked for recently. >> there was a lot of loyalty to the senator edwards. people felt very close to him. they believed in the cause from the beginning. when all that began to unravel, they stuck with him to see if they could get him through it.