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Indictments and pleading guilty to them clearly an effort to flip him against manafort. >> bret, you could teach a college course on the separate manafort charges. the fact that manafort won't flip is very consequential. bob mueller is working very hard to use rick gates to fold and flip paul manafort and he's not budging so far. >> this only is a big deal if you believe that there is a secret unknown conspiracy between russia and the trump campaign conspiring to influence the election. if that exists, then putting pressure on manafort makes a lot of sense. if this is nailing manafort for all ...

Papadopoulos, carter page, roger stone, all of those people and their interactions with the russians and whether or not that was designed to get hillary clinton's e-mails in an october surprise sort of way. late in the campaign in order to damage her at a time where she couldn't respond to it in time. >> and then would the third string of this be the obstruction of justice. >> exactly. the third string would be the obstruction of justice. >> carl, do you agree with that sort of -- >> yeah. and also, look, some of the lawyers involved who know some things say that flynn is cooperating. they don...

Collar crimes for sure. >> it happens in those cases as well. but the more important point is the question whether or not manafort flips or not. the same thing with flynn because if you're going to have this reaching donald trump, which is what people are most interested in, you need what prosecutors sometimes call narrators of the case, people to walk you through what happened. and for that you need them to flip. and the way you get them to flip is by convincing them that if they don't flip, they're going it to the big house. and that becomes the core of how you work your way up the chain to ...

Don't like and he doesn't flip. but the reality comes. math, this sort of unpleasant reality of having to pay bills that you can't pay. you've got to do something. different strokes for different folks, different, you know, ways to get out of that for different folks. i'm not comparing for example venezuela with what is happening in illinois. except that they are joined at the math hip here. the math doesn't work. >> reporter: there is that. there is also i think the fact that there is world wild skepticism. you see it in countries throughout the world. it isn't just the united states or brita...

This week and report has landed 25 new fundraising bundlers in the last week since debate performance is alternative to the trump and carson top tier. the loser is bernie sanders after summer of rallies with tens of thousands of people it's turned to the fall of hillary clinton. she looks more than ever as a likely democratic nominee. there is a poll in south carolina that has him down by 57 points. >> okay. charles? >> i'm going to start with my losers. former new york city mayor michael bloomberg and virginia governor terry mcauliff spent millions to flip the virginia senate this week on tue...