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Period where for instance our marriage equality enjoyed terrible, terrible poll numbers that people should have given up the pressure on politicians, that we should have let up on barack obama, for instance, or the clintons for signing the defense of marriage act. if i as a writer and to the extent that god, i can't believe i'm going to use this word, advocate to the extent that well, if it polls well, that's what i'll be writing about, then i'm dead. the other thing is i think part of that polling is the result that we haven't had serious discussions. i think that polling is not an abstract s...

The case substantively is iron-clad, i'm 100% persuaded, and i think it's political suicide for a national politician to run on it, on a national campaign. >> first of all, that's not my problem. that's not actually my problem. i would not -- i don't think any of us would say during the period where for instance our marriage equality enjoyed terrible, terrible poll numbers that people should have given up the pressure on politicians, that we should have let up on barack obama, for instance, or the clintons for signing the defense of marriage act. if i as a writer and to the extent that god, i ...

About that? >> i think the president very well may have a point, because this would be a very big move towards a socialistic society, and i don't think it is a smart thing to do. look, the interesting part about this is that bernie sanders is driving the whole conversation about this. neil: to be fair to the guy, he started it all; right? >> yes, he did back in 2017, he actually proposed it in the senate. that's what got the ball rolling. bernie's a little bit different than the other candidates in that he wants to eliminate completely private insurance. the other candidates are really not on ...

Of us would say during a period about marriage equality enjoyed terrible poll numbers that people should have given up on politicians and let up on barack obama or the clintons for signing the defensive marriage act. if i as a writer to the extent became an advocate and i say if it polls well, that's what i will be write being. then i'm dead. part of that polling is that we haven't had serious discussions. that polling is not an abstract figure that is not connected to other things. the fact is we haven't had the discussions that we actually had yesterday. i think to the extent that we can pus...

No. my feeling about reparations is that the case substantively is iron clad. 100% persuaded and it's political suicide for a national politician to run on it on a national campaign. >> first of all, that's not my problem. i would not -- i don't think any of us would say during a period about marriage equality enjoyed terrible poll numbers that people should have given up on politicians and let up on barack obama or the clintons for signing the defensive marriage act. if i as a writer to the extent became an advocate and i say if it polls well, that's what i will be write being. then i'm dead....