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Those comments. but describe the conversation as, quote, productive. but here's the thing. as you know, words matter. and the u.s. relationship with pakistan is crucial. it is one of the most sensitive in the world. it's also quite complicated. in recent years pakistan has come under fire for not doing enough to fight terrorism within its borders. after the u.s. navy s.e.a.l. raid that killed osama bin laden inside pakistan, then-cia director leon panetta slammed pakistani officials and their possible knowledge about bin laden's whereabouts. he said quote either they were involved or incompete...

>> my son at age 17 is trained in firearms and he shoots and he is aware. he says you haven't heard anything. and it's a quiet campus. >> it is. and it's a beautiful place. and obviously this is the kind of thing that, you know, nobody would expect. as the publisher of the newspaper and i said this to david one of your find reporters. isn't it strange that the authorities aren't releasing the name of this man who was killed, the murderer? >> it is and let me just clarify for the record, too. i you work more as an editor in a smaller position. david actually as well as a reporter and publisher ...

>> my son at age 17 is trained in firearms and he shoots and he is aware. he says you haven't heard anything. and it's a quiet campus. >> it is. and it's a beautiful place. and obviously this is the kind of thing that, you know, nobody would expect. as the publisher of the newspaper and i said this to david one of your find reporters. isn't it strange that the authorities aren't releasing the name of this man who was killed, the murderer? >> it is and let me just clarify for the record, too. i you work more as an editor in a smaller position. david actually as well as a reporter and publisher ...

Out? >> i don't have much more than you do. i don't know how long he was planning on this. i don't think it was a long term sort of thing. i find it strange, weird that somebody would document all that. there's no doubt he had the keys in his car, ready escape. it wasn't a planned suicide. obviously, it was an alternative for him but, it is -- there's some strange pieces around it. i think him ending up in lafayette was purely co-incidental. maybe because it was a larger city along the i-10 corridor. a city he saw opportunity for business. he contacted business people to invest into an oil cha...

He just did it. i feel like it's a little bit of a betrayal of our community. so it's like having someone like in your world be the exact opposite of what you thought they were and just due to how good they were at it he doesn't really get caught. and he kind of walks around like nothing ever happened. and it feels deeply offensive. and people say, where's the evidence? and i said isn't 30 people saying, it happened to me evidence, is that evidence of something happening? i don't know, i'm just kind of bothered by the whole thing. and if a lot of people spoke up i probably wouldn't. i think ...