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those comments. but describe the conversation as, quote, productive. but here's the thing. as you know, words matter. and the u.s. relationship with pakistan is crucial. it is one of the most sensitive in the world. it's also quite complicated. in recent years pakistan has come under fire for not doing enough to fight terrorism within its borders. after the u.s. navy s.e.a.l. raid that killed osama bin laden inside pakistan, then-cia director leon panetta slammed pakistani officials and their possible knowledge about bin laden's whereabouts. he said quote either they were involved or incompetent. neither place is a good place to be. let's talk about pakistan and the united states and mr. trump and with me is the cnn global affairs analyst and national security investigations editor for reuters. welcome. so, first of all, is it strange that pakistan would leak this phone call between mr. trump, and its prime minister? >> it is very strange. but i think it's an effort by pakistan to sort of curry favor with donald trump, and to be blunt, sort of play to his ego.

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