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no, that was up to seven. i think that was seven. it might be my souvlaki talking, but yes. so it's a big debate with all of the parties who are fielding candidates in the election being represented. and as a result of that, what you have is of course, the sort of battle royale going on between labour and the tories, but you have an opportunity to hear from a much broader rainbow of political opinion. yeah, it means on the one hand it's less focused than when it was starmer versus sunak on tuesday, and it'sjust two people going head to head on a range of issues. it becomes a bit more...

They were stage left, because it's how they are. it's where they are on the facing. camera, right! yeah, we're in it. we're not theatre people. we're television people. broadcasters! telly people. talking about appearances, though, to very superficial questions for me about penny mordant. yeah. i'm not an expert on this. her hair. yeah. how do you get hair that voluminous? just an amazing blow dry. is thatjust a really big blow drying? okay. but it's flippant to talk about women's hair. but it's not going to talk about other people's look. no, because it was it's part of penny mordaunt shtick....