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To '88. said look, i love the guy, he needs to step down. he needs to step down because once you do this and you're party to this at all, essentially you lose the right to claim triumph over anything in your life and you can't say anymore that you touched lives because they all go away if you let one person touch a children -- a child. >> here's pennsylvania governor tom corbett today talking about the student protesters. >> you have a passion? great. you want to demonstrate? great. you want to speak out? great. violence is a knucklehead. >> b.j., let me go so far as to say that i think if the...

Youth from some of these boys. >> b.j., what does that say about our society, that coaches and programs and universities can be so big that people would be intimidated to go to law enforcement? i find it hard to believe that a 28-year-old man would not know that it would be the wrong thing to do to screw a 10-year-old in the shower. i don't know how else you can say it. what do you think? >> it's really sickening when you think about it. and when you read the grand jury report, you can't help but really get a pit in your stomach. you know, i think what we have to realize here is with great pow...

Should have joe paterno done in this situation? he should have went to the middle of town and said, look, something tragic has happened here, i've lost my job, i can't come to terms with it now, go home. but instead he incited a "we are penn state" chant. >> and that's what gets me. he knew. he was told by his former quarterback what the defensive coordinator, sandusky, who he had worked with for years, he knew what he had done in the shower to that kid. and here's joe paterno coming out saying, well, you know, i lost my job. by the handbook i guess i did everything i could do for the universi...

Organization that is supposed to help kids. give me a break. b.j., you get the final word. >> well, you know, i think this is a sad commentary of what college sports have become. they've become so big. and the games themselves are so riveting and so great so many times. >> exactly. >> but we're losing what our priorities are. our priorities are education and doing what's right. when the athletic program and a person like joe paterno becomes bigger than anything else in a lot of people's minds, we've really lost it, and i think we need to get it back. >> and gentlemen, that is the point of my c...

They invite young people to their campus all the time. whether it's sports camps or band camp or academic exercises, there are young people underage on their campus all the time. they need to know what that obligation is to report, and they needed to take action. and it appears that they failed to do so in this case. >> matthew mangino, i appreciate your time tonight. thanks for joining us so much. more on the penn state sexual abuse scandal in a moment. with mike wise and b.j. scheckter. deadbeat congressman joe walsh told a postal worker that he wanted to eliminate her job. melissa rakestraw...