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Not part of this, pat, but governor rendell and i are part of it as pennsylvanians. it's so much good up against so much bad. it's just hard to deal with. graham spanier up there has done, as you said, done a wonderful job as president up there, with his music department, his fine arts department. all across the board, that school has become so good at turning out with these kids that don't come there with a lot of money. they're average kids with average income and parents. and this guy gives them a first-rate education. and this horror, you know, on top of that. it's just tragic. you know? >...

Obviously come back, but in some cases, you never regain a normal sense and a normal balance. penn state's got to make a statement that this is tremendously important to us, we take it seriously. we want to start anew. we're going to develop a whole new culture. >> you know what's so hard, governor, and pat, and you're not part of this, pat, but governor rendell and i are part of it as pennsylvanians. it's so much good up against so much bad. it's just hard to deal with. graham spanier up there has done, as you said, done a wonderful job as president up there, with his music department, his fi...

Are allowed to come into the prison to perform these wedding ceremonies. he was one of them. they didn't know each other ahead of time. he was obviously trying to counsel her. >> he'll have this black mark against him. >> i know that. i already know. i mean, i have known people that's come out of prison and some even being family and they are -- it's hard -- the hardest thing i think i seen is jobs. people don't want to employ them. >> normally i just flat turn down weddings because i find in most cases the men are just using the women for their own advantage. >> i've heard stories. >> you've ...

>> well, she would be a fool not to. i mean, let's be honest. she looks sensational in the pictures. it is not as if you could complain about the look. as i said, you have to where them end up. i think for her, yeah, she will be exploited and she will hopefully try to exploit some of the opportunities and avenues that come her way. she would be a fool not to but think this is a bit of a tiny black mark on the rise that started to take off. hasn't quite got there yet. we will see. i think it will be interest when they find out who sold the picture. that should be tomorrow. >> thanks very much f...

Him on the head repeatedly. according to the police report, officers saw daniels stealing property from a car and they arrested him using "minimum force." not everyone agrees after looking at that tape. and there are, of course, a lot of questions about what should happen to the officers. let's talk to our legal panel, criminal defense attorney keith sullivan is here and kendall coffey joining us as well. keith, let me let you talk us through this. here you can see the arms are up right there and that is when they push him down and knock on his head a bunch of times. any reason why officers wo...