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Where no one has been prosecuted for actually giving the order for the burglars to break into the democratic national convention june 17th. even what they were doing there remains relatively the subject of a different competing theories. it's normally short handed bugging operation but it seems just as possible they were in there trying to uncover blackmail material either on the democrats or to figure out what the democrats had on richard nixon. >> it's so interesting you say that. if you were to ask 30 people in washington what the genesis of it was, they would tell you an answer and that it...

Material over for use as blackmail material to a supermarket tabloid? >> not in the least. and one of the things i hope is going to come out as a result of all sorts of things including the intelligence interception on the murder of jamal khashoggi where the crown prince, some time ago wad intercepted saying he put a bullet in him and how much background influence is being pedalled to promote interest and to make money above all? we have very weak international laws on criminality j money and that's why we have these massive illicit flows of cash i've spoken with you about many times. >> it so...

This is not unlike people who wouldn't step forward over the #me too movement, all sorts of things. and the business model is exactly as your previous guest says, what matters. he's promoted not guy itiology but by money. and jeff bezos recognized the only possible winning game for him was to step out in the light and try to put a stop to this. and i suspect if we get a full investigation, we're going to find out it's far worse and gonemany more years than we realize. >> and are you surprised to hear the idea of potential foreign involvement in obtaining the materials and handing that material...

Evidence quick. >> my tweet was just an opinion based on what i believe. >> so you have no evidence. >> so now lindsay is on the trumpet trained to insinuate that the donald has something on lindsey graham. is is totally inappropriate quick. >> i think it's fine to say the waters are murky maybe they blackmail him as people say they must we blackmailingeo trump. but the furtherma indication that he must be gay and that's what they have on a him than that has been a rumor for so long it's not a secret. so it's not even good blackmail material. and going back to toxic masculinity that is weapon ...

And mike is exactly right. i'm sure when they write their next trade craft manual this june 9 meeting will be a case study exactly how to do this. in the intelligence business, looking for an agent to recruit there's a cycle, spot that says, develop, recruit. here they were at stage three. they had spotted donald trump jr. they had assessed his vulnerability. he wanted to help his dad and were in the process of reaching out to him to develop him and see where they could go, and mike hayden is quite right. they got a lot out of this. a classic intelligence operation by the russians. and even if...