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The president and ceo of the national urban league. mark, tell us based on your report, how would you best describe the current state of black america? >> i think our social and economic traditions are frozen in a sort of suspended animation, zerlina. meaning the comparative position of blacks versus whites, when it comes to jobs, and housing, and life expectancy, and health care, remains a wide gap, a gap that hasn't changed for multiple decades. now, you always have to qualify it, because of the black people serving as a bit of a caboose on the american train. meaning when the train speeds, ...

Of this. it's an extraordinary press conference, former "apprentice" members of color. what is it in your experience with donald trump brought you to the conclusion he was racist such that it you had that press conference, tara? >> for me, there were several things. the first is when he proposed a blacks versus whites season of "the apprentice." i thought that was horrific. and just the damage that something -- something like that would do and that he was seriously considering it and floating the idea. that was point one. >> omarosa talks about marc burnett setting the seasons up that were pro...

The blacks versus white season he proposed on "the aprep tispr and then him being the chief spokesperson on the birther movement and the way he treated randall when randall was such a dominant, unequivocal winner of that season that randall won and he asked him to share his apprenticeship with the -- with the white contestcontestant. he had never done that with any other contestants. the way randall won, there was no competition. it wasn't as if it was so close and he was asking him to share it. to me, it was about diminishing randall and what he accomplished, taking him down a tack because he...