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Nielsen was being disingenuous. i mean, they had to know that this, quote/unquote, zero tolerance policy that they put into place would mean that families were going to be separated at the border because you can't detain children as if they were criminals like you would the adult parents who came across illegally. so both sides i think are playing politics here, but -- and that's exactly why i think the bureau would be very, very hesitant to open a real investigation. >> blake, let's talk about the government shutdown, its impact for federal workers. day 31, payments have been missed. we've be...

Workers. what is going on with this white house that they are not even able to express any sympathy or outrage for what is happening to these federal workers in these prime time public eechlts? >> it's really unusual. usually in these situations the president is the one who is sounding the alarm about the impact on federal workers and their families. in this case the president, i think, you know, from what he said in the past he thinks they are all democrats. he thinks they are his political adversaries so he's not shown very much sympathy for them if at all. there was a tweet last night, i th...

Victories if they've lost their soul. >> sad a pa thend pathetic. you listen to what rand paul said about donald trump during the debates. you look at him now. it really is a real, real tragedy. blake hounshell, thank you so much. susan page, stay with us. still ahead, there's energy and momentum with the progressive movement these days, but there's also the question of whether the moderate wing of the democratic party can keep up and what that means if they can't.