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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20110814:00:31:00

they've come up with distractions to really take their mind off of their crimes. but sometimes our very presence in prison can change all of that. >> lawrence stall has spent the last two decades in prison. most of it at the holman correctional facility in alabama and sometimes it seems to have been just as long as since he's heard the sound of his real name. >> hey, redtop. >> they call me redtop. they call me ringating red. >> is there one you prefer? >> none. i just answer to them all. i've learned to answer to them all over the years. >> stall began serving his sentence 28 years earlier, when he was 22 years old. >> back when i first came here there was a lot of violence. >> was it scary? were you scared a lot? >> scared to death. >> my first impression of lawrence stall was that he doesn't fit.

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20110814:00:07:00

being noble. you have to have some nobility about yourselves. so are you going to sneak up on somebody from behind their back? there's nothing noble about that. so it's coming, be ready. it may not come today. it may not come tomorrow. it may not come until next month or next year, but it's coming. you know? and you don't know who it's coming from. >> is that calculated? you don't know when but you know it's coming? >> it's more of a mind [ bleep ]. this is what's going to happen. it ain't going to happen in five minutes, it ain't going to happen right now, maybe not tomorrow or next week or next month, it may be a year later. but we told you, it's coming. coming up, officials find a temporary solution for ronnie shephard's dilemma. >> this is like a dungeon in a dungeon. [ p.a. announcer ] announcing america's favorite cereal

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20110814:00:26:00

day, every day. >> clarence never left his gang. and he struggled with the desire to avenge his brother's death. and he talked about the fact that he would think about if the man who killed his brother ever came into prison, what he would do. >> would i let down my brother if i just forgive this? i ask myself this all the time. i try to weigh the options. i talk to my family about it, my mother. she try to tell me, don't, you know, don't even worry about it, which in a way makes me mad. because i feel she went soft on me. because i don't know how exactly i'm going to control myself if i see who do this. i hope i do the right thing. i hope i do. but i don't know. i really, really don't know. coming up -- >> my first impression of lawrence stall was that he doesn't fit. >> i didn't even hunt.

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20110814:00:14:00

care. i don't [ bleep ]. i'm going home. that's it, period. why would i lay in here and let you kill me, over something dumb? or do something to you over something dumb? >> shephard met with prison officials to discuss his safety and the possibility of transferring him to another prison. >> how are you doing, mr. shephard? how has everything been since you've been up here? >> it's all right. i mean, it's solitary confinement, really, but if that's what i got to deal with until i go home, that's what i'm going to do. because i'm up on 900 days. and if it takes me staying in that cell until i go home to avoid all the craziness going on out there, do this or do that or get this or end up having this done to you, all that, they can keep all that. i'm going home. >> okay. i will get with internal affairs. make sure we follow up and make sure all the paperwork is done appropriately.

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20110814:00:34:00

>> he had such a difficult time talking about it that it was a little surprising to me. >> it's something that you never get over. i was the type -- i didn't even hunt. i didn't kill nothing. i was about -- i was john denver all the way. you know? i think about it often. you know? i do. but to live in here, to live in here, to be honest, i had to put it out of my mind. that's the only way you can deal with it. only way i can deal with it. >> it was interesting for me to watch how lawrence chose to deal with the vast amount of time he had to serve. he was very involved in the leather shop. and then he also had these little rocks on to which he would paint these intricate and elaborate tableaus. >> that mountain scene right there on the back of this one. purple mountain majesty thing, you know?

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20110814:00:25:00

i went and straightened up for a few years. even now up to this day it's hard to believe that my little brother's gone. i write letters to him. on his birthday i write letters to him. christmas i write letters to him. >> what do you say? >> i apologize to him. i just talk to him. and as i talk to him, seems like i don't know, maybe i'm helping myself in a way to ease the pain because it's a deep pain. sometimes it's real deep. if i can turn it back right now and get my life right now, for my brother to come back, i'd do it in a heartbeat. i live my life. there's nothing here for me. that's the way i feel. there's nothing here. but it's not possible. so i can't do it, just like i say. every time i write him i'm always apologizing. i guess i'll apologize until the day i die. i think it's my fault. like a dagger that's in me, all

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20110814:00:33:00

killed. >> how did they die? they got shotgunned. shotgun. >> in their confessions, stall and his co-defendant claimed the other pulled the trigger. in the end they each received life sentences. but stall's sentence went beyond what was handed down by the judge. >> it's not something i like to talk about a lot. i can talk about it more now, but it still bothers me a whole lot, even today. uh -- yeah. in fact, just talking about it, i don't know if i can. i don't know if i can do this. >> for me, lawrence stall was a rare experience doing "lockup." he truly and genuinely seemed remorseful about his crime. >> talking about it has me shaking already.

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20110814:00:09:00

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20110814:00:13:00

him a videocamera to record a personal diary. >> this cell that i'm currently in is not really a very nice place to be, i guess. let me show you what i'm talking about. stretch my arm out. if you see my arms to my elbow, that's one elbow. basically, one arm length long, is this cell. >> it wasn't long before shephard's thoughts returned to the white supremacist gang he had once belonged to, but now had turned on him. >> just going to take this in order for me to go home. i'm willing to endure it. i mean, put me in here. lock my door. leave me alone. i'm going home. whoever don't like it, i don't

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20110814:00:06:00

and he tells me, be ready because we're coming for you. and i'm like, ready for what? and he pretty much basically told me that they're coming, they're going to cut all the tattoos off of me that are aryan related and basically take my life. >> not long after shephard was given the knife, correctional officers find and confiscated it. >> it's small, easily concealed, honed in, a good edge on it. this one has a little magnet on the side of it so they can stash it any place they want to. up underneath the cabinet, under the bed. it's easy to get to it so they can use it real quick. >> if they were coming to get you, why would they give you a knife? >> that's just being noble. i mean, part of being aryan is

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