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Their own internal rules in doing this, and ultimately, what needs to be fixed is the general system of declassification. what we need is more attention to the process of transition. there was no science to the transition when president trump left, people hurrying around. >> that being said, i think it's contradictory to say we didn't know what was in the boxes when trump knew what was in the box. the other part of this is we're talking about a conversation that happened at the bedminster club. so is it your understanding that documents went from mar-a-lago to bedminster after he left the pres...

You cannot just wave that wand and declassify documents en masse, even if you are president of the united states. we've interviewed dozens and dozens of people who are familiar with the process that even a president of the united states has to go through. he has to let someone know and memorialize it, that he intends to do that. >> because, of course, the documents exist, not just in his possession, but they exist in the federal bureaucracy. >> exactly. >> if they've been declassified, you would think it would be actually really toes prove that. >> but there is two layers of conversation going...

President trump knew that the documents that he had were classified. does that not make his statements about blanket declassification and some statements by his representatives, wouldn't that make those lies? >> i'm not going dignify the doj leak. what i will tell you is this. >> i mean it does sound like you don't want to address the substance. >> well, it would be nice if you let me answer. i am trying to be responsive. but i'm not going to bite on a leak campaign and try the case in the media. what i will tell you is there is no doubt as commander in chief -- and when the president left was...

You the authority as the president to do it. so if somebody walks in and says pardon jack johnson, he was treated horribly by racists, you can pardon him without the application process. same thing goes with declassification. you don't have to go through a process. >> i'm not disputing that. but like with the pardon process you would need to tell someone in the bureaucracy that you've done it. >> right. >> so who did he tell? >> we are not trying our case leak by leak. >> so let me ask you this. you signed a letter to congress saying that was all just the result of a rushed pack job. you said ...

Moment. what was the reaction? >> i guess but i tend to be a little dramatic. he didn't just say it once, that's what was so important. he hammered that point home several different times. what he was trying to say is, listen, the former president brought this case and he's trying to say that he is entitled to get these documents back to see these documents. and a judge said, okay, well, i'm going to start with the presumption, they're marked classified. i'm going to go with that unless you can provide some evidence to me they're not. this is when donald trump's lawyers said, sorry i can't pro...