to bring in one of the foremost experts on election law. ben ginsberg. he also testified as an expert before the house january 6th congressional committee. thank you so much for being hear. when you hear the reporting about the three statutes that are allegedly cited in this letter. that is what trump is ultimately charged with. which one do you think is the most important? >> well, it really depends on what the facts that jack smith presents are. if there is a case with broad conspiracy with lots of information that we don't know yet, then any of the three could be serious. it the deprivation of rights count is probably the most interesting. that could open up a discussion. the proof that trump would have to make that his charge of rigged elections is true. and it would be a worth while