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Are behaving. i think it is pretty significant that cash patel and mark meadows are actually apparently negotiating with the committee and at least so far not just granting former president trump's blanket request or blanket instructions that they not come forward and testify. cash patel is as bad an actor as you can find in some of the administration which is saying something, showed up in some of the worst performances in the four years. but both he and mark meadows are negotiating with the committee potentially to provide testify. it may break down and they aye may fine themselves in the sa...

Became president, that is when you have the sally yates involvement, rushing to the white house and meeting with don mcgahn and then mcgahn talking to the president directly about flynn's lying. so i think you have the before, and the after he became president, i think he knew but he didn't want to listen. >> what do you think? >> just those people, that is all that told them? it doesn't stand up to the facts i think gloria just knocked that argument down. >> mueller laid out 11 examples of obstruction of justice by president trump. what do you make up just separately before i let you go of ch...

They could defy subpoenas. and there is a chance the president could exert executive privilege over some of these documents, like those pertaining to his conversations with the former white house counsel, don mcgahn. that's the question here. if the president does decide to do that, it would be a very distinct turn in how they respond to this so far, kate. >> good to see you, kaitlan. thank you so much. thank you, manu, as well. joining me to discuss is charlie dent, a political commentator. so what's your -- what do you think of this strategy? it's kind of almost a blanket request from house ...

>> basically the case on point was about webster hubble. and it was an example where an investigative inquiry went too far in compelling someone to basically go through and individually pick out the documents that was incriminating. that is to say instead of a blanket request like hey, give us your calendar entries or give us a bunch of documents. it was find these specific incriminating documents. and that goes into why we have a fifth amendment, which is you don't -- you don't have to incriminate yourself. you can't be forced to do that. it seems unfair. so that's the kind of claim you would...

Far in compelling someone to basically go through and individually pick out the documents that was incriminating. that is to say instead of a blanket request like hey, give us your calendar entries or give us a bunch of documents. it was find these specific incriminating documents. and that goes into why we have a fifth amendment, which is you don't -- you don't have to incriminate yourself. you can't be forced to do that. it seems unfair. so that's the kind of claim you would make, that the nature of the request is such that you are basically, in lawyer speak, they call it testimonial in natu...