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The head law enforcement agencies that are telling them how to interpret that policy? the only reason i say that. the sheriff came out and made a blanket statement that something that was done prevented them from being able to eradicate this individual prior to him killing this beautiful man we saw the picture with his wife and baby. what was that exactly? the law doesn't prevent it. >> eric: there are 800 exceptions in the sanctuary laws that would let officers actually pick this guy up and he fell completely through the cracks. you're saying the law would have worked if it had been carried o...

To the general public but what giuliani was saying was true as it relates to the mueller filing, because we haven't learned that there was any conspiracy. we haven't learned that there's been any activity that is potentially criminal as it relates to the campaign or the president of the united states. >> you're absolutely right on that. the evidence of that, if there is evidence, has not been presented by the special counsel to date. i should note that rudy giuliani did not make that distinction. he made a blanket statement but jack quinn, your response to jim -- >> i read your statement. muel...

Obama administration this was used. i ask you again then, because you raise these numbers, how is it that they're so much outrage from dianne feinstein and everyone else, it's inhumane and it turns out dozens of times barack obama did the same thing. >> i don't agree that there is an equivalency because i think each of these instances are by definition fact specific. i can't get into the specifics of the use of force -- >> ed: hang on. >> let me answer. let me answer your question. >> ed: how can you make blanket statements about president trump -- >> first of all i didn't make a blanket state...

Use that to slow everything down not really to hurt people that the obama administration did so did you raise these numbers how is that there is so much outrage from feinstein to bebe inhumane but dozens of times barack obama did the same thing quick. >> i don't agree there is that equivalency because each of these are fact specific so i cannot get into the specifics of the use of force. ed: then how can you make a blanket statement quick. >>. >> i didn't make a blanket statement but i will answer statement but i will answer directly i can tell you how i oft when i saw pictures young children ...

Respect, wherever they find them, in this country. and that is a prescription for success against a donald trump who has made a decision that he is going to try to maximize his base and write off the rest of the vote. >> i hear you. i understand the analysis. and i get the adjustment that you're making, in terms of the blanket statement, "well, they lost." but at the end of the day, we had this conversation during the special elections. and i've been listening to everybody tonight and their thoughts about defining victory. i'm more simple than that, axe. you've got to win at some point. and th...