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The trump transition team and the administration know and when did they know it? despite claims of being blind sided, we're learning that transition officials did in fact know about michael flynn's potential conflict of interest, and it was long before he was ousted as national security adviser. we'll look at that. also, as the white house struggles to sell its health plan to its own party as we were talking about, vice president mike pence heading to kentucky. what he could possibly see -- could he see more resistance there? also, they went against the wishes of their families and communi...

Cnn justice reporter laura jarrett joining us now on the phone with more on this. also, paul kalin, also with us. so, first, laura, to you. we know that the attorney general jeff sessions had asked what all 44 u.s. attorneys general to clean out their desks, resign and now, you have this information that he says no fire me. >> that's exactly right. he said you will see a letter of resignation for me. instead, president trump will have to fire him. this is despite being explicitly told otherwise. last november, you'll remember, he had a very public meeting in trump tower with president when he ...

Is saying right now? they are encouraging their president not to meet with rex tillerson and john kelly today? do you have reporting you had formerly advised this president about whether this meeting is going to take place? >> their desire is to have a productive conversation based off of items that they can all agree to beforehand instead this surprise diplomacy that the administration has been engaged in. they release these memos and then they send their emissaries to try to bring them into the fold after the fact. so what they are saying within the president's office is that they would want...

>> i'm just saying there is a parallel. you're totally right there's a parallel. >> my point is, democrats kept telling themselves, oh, this isn't real. this is funded by koch brothers, not a grassroots type of organizations and, boom, blind-sided. seals like prps doing this. i get texts from family members, oh, they are paying protesters. no they are not. no, they are not. >> it doesn't matter who gives money to the organization that helps organize this much as koch brothers gave it to americans for prosperity, doesn't mean the protests aren't real. if people show up on their own time to one ...

Charge -- >> i agree. so many top cabinet officials and lawmakers were blind sided by the whole thing by limiting the information inside and outside of the white house, he doesn't trust -- bannon is one tough customer. he was a war buddy. he was the trenches with trump. he has the street credit to go up torumpo say i got you buddy. >> bannon is looking for own communicati communicati communication consultant. >> right. >> how did he get own seat? >> he has his own clout.