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Governor and he says he's on board. even though this plan would more than doubled the number of people without insurance in the state of arizona. and then there are a lot of questions about the matter of principle on mccain's part. the big thing to me is -- and this goes back to what you were talking about, jesse. let's say it happens. what's the response? you talk about a soft off-ramp for people. the reality is it does away with a lot of the protections, the consumer protections. pre-existing conditions. it damages -- it does away with a lot. >> kennedy: it actually does not. >> juan: import...

>> jesse: expansion. >> juan: know, a set amount of money. a block ramp to the state. and in the state puts different rules in place, to your point. they can do away with other things. that's where all of a sudden, i think there is no soft off-ramp. there's going to be an explosion of anger. >> dana: we will just encourage. >> kennedy: there already is the implosion of obamacare. it is heartless and cruel to keep this. >> juan: you can't say that to more than 50% of americans who support obamacare. >> dana: we will continue to talk about this over the course of the week. go online and see how ...