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Principle. you know, to name names, kevin mccarthy is -- is the -- at all -- but that's the kind of person who has flourished in the republican party. and has, then, left that party completely vulnerable to forces that really want to tear down our democracy. >> yeah. paul has a really interesting piece in "the new york times" about the conversation we're having now. i would strongly urge all of you to read it. paul, our time is a little bit short tonight but we appreciate you joining us. have a great holiday weekend. thank you so much. >> same to you. take care. >> thank you. prepare for 202...

To, among other things, an increase in voter turnout. also, historic levels of voter turnout in communities of color. and so, we can't -- and then, the -- the efforts that we have been talking about tonight and, in particular, around the tragedy in the u.s. capitol on january 6th. all of that was connected to an effort to actually intervene, with the certification and the finalization of a fair and secure, and highly-accurate election. so, that effort's going to come back in 2024. and what's happening right now, in 2021, and what we should expect to only escalate in the months and years ahead....

Decrease turnout, particularly in communities of color across the country. that's what we're looking at. that's where we're headed. >> if i've ever seen a flashing red light or a horn or a warning siren, what you just said was it. we are seeing tonight how lawmakers, secretary, are trying to whitewash the insurrection to protect the former guy. >> yeah. >> does that show that they'll do anything to win? it's part of what i asked in the last question, minority rule, whatever it takes. does it show they'll do anything to win? >> i certainly think we've seen over the past seven months since the p...

And they will be in more places of authority, than they were in 2020. and we will, therefore, be at higher risk of seeing them be successful in undermining our democracy and stand in the way of the vote being, you know, the determining factor of who wins an election. >> okay. so let's talk more about that because, you know, during that, as we have been talking about. as you've mentioned here. a few brave state officials stood up and kept our democracy going into 2020. you say election officials across the country are being replaced as you -- you did. so, what -- what is the exact impact, then,...

Good to see you. >> good to see you, don. thanks for having me. >> for sure. you are issuing a dire warning about the upcoming election. so talk to me about the danger. what's the biggest threat? >> that we don't learn from what we endured and successfully overcame in 2020. that there's no accountability. that we take our eye off the ball and allow those bad actors to continue to intensify their efforts to put pieces in place to undermine democracy so that when the next presidential election comes along, the same actors, the same bad forces that tried to undermine democracy in 2020 and were no...