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About this that we are cleave ing to an outmolded way of thinking and that is the south that is gone, these are the people who have passed a off of the scene, this is frightening, because this is now. this is not a poll 20 years ago or 50 years ago, but it is what is going on now, and the persistence of those beliefs suggest that it is not simply having a black man in the white house who can reorganize the logic of american bigotry, but it is seeping into the hearts and the minds and the souls of everyday americans and ordinary citizens who have beliefs that either nurture the best of our poss...

Paul? here with me now is the author of the great book "collision 2016." dan, let's talk about what you call the subterranean campaign of 2012 and what it offers us in the future. >> we think of the campaign as the campaign we all cover all the time. everything we talk about, every utterance, every gaffe, every debate, every movement. and that's part of politics and in many ways the interesting and enjoyable part of politics, but it's not necessarily the decisive part of politics. there are important and powerful underlying forces that effect every campaign. in 2012, one was the economy. would...

You're working for $9 an hour 50 days a week and trying to find day care for your kid and that's going to be the case in february no matter who is elected. >> chris, this gets to if i can put in a plug for "the new yorker" this week, it's a story of a lobbyist and then made a lot of money lobbying for a bipartisan lobbying firm before going back into the senate. his basic life story tells you that the red/blue divide, the war between the colors in a way matters less in washington than what i think of as the war of organized money which is not a war of attrition evenly matched, a few inches of ...

Look the president said historically what happens a party that is out of power often times in the first few years end up reacting very negatively. their base ends up being veriage stated and it may take the next election or presidential election before things settle down. have we been misunderstanding his bipartisan message, looking for the unicorn in the rose garden. it is not bipartisanship now. it is hoping that things can calm down in the next two to four years so you get bipartisanship at some later sanguine moment in american history? >> i mean, i just think he's wrong and underestimated...

He is still hoping since he ran on this bridging the red/blue divide. that is how he got into national politics with that famous speech in 2004 at the democratic convention where he said we're not a red and blue nation. we're one nation. that's how we got barack obama. so since that's what brought him to the dance, he doesn't want to give up on that idea yet. but everything we've seen from this republican party suggests it has become an extraordinarily reactionary party. the members of congress you just showed who don't believe he was born in the country, nobody has heard of those guys. it was...