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>> get the transcript. >> he did in fact, sir. let me call it an act of terror. he did call it an act of terror. >> wow. we're back. that was president obama and mitt romney colliding in an exchange over benghazi in the october 16th second presidential debate. the washington post dean of political reporters is out with his new book about that campaign. called "collision 2012, obama versus romney and the future of elections in america." the pendulum is swinging in the republican party now. as the party moves hard right, will they really try another establishment time like romney or dole or mcca...

Going to cut spending to afford defense. maybe he should look at the pork barrel spending at 1.51 for every dollar. and not look at new jersey where we get 61 cents for every dollar. >> i know you don't make predictions what are we looking at here, something that's the future not the rearview mirror here? >> we're looking at two people who have their eye on 2016. i think when you look at each of those two men, one of the things they share in common is they both have some convincing to do to a part of the republican party. there are some of the conservatives that are wary about some of the posi...

Party. there are some of the conservatives that are wary about some of the positions that rand paul has. he's a favorite of the tea party on some fiscal issues, but on foreign policy issues, he's not in the mainstream. >> he's where i'm at on farm policy. >> it's a big book. collision, 2012. i like it when dan goes to the future. maybe some predictions in there. we'll be right back. hey! did you know that honey nut cheerios has oats that can help lower cholesterol? and it tastes good? sure does! wow. it's the honey, it makes it taste so... well, would you look at the time... what's the rush? b...

Paul? here with me now is the author of the great book "collision 2016." dan, let's talk about what you call the subterranean campaign of 2012 and what it offers us in the future. >> we think of the campaign as the campaign we all cover all the time. everything we talk about, every utterance, every gaffe, every debate, every movement. and that's part of politics and in many ways the interesting and enjoyable part of politics, but it's not necessarily the decisive part of politics. there are important and powerful underlying forces that effect every campaign. in 2012, one was the economy. would...

It was not a spontaneous demonstration. is that what you're saying? >> please proceed, governor. >> i want to make sure we get that for the record because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in benghazi an act of terror. >> get the transcript. >> he did in fact, sir. let me call it an act of terror. he did call it an act of terror. >> wow. we're back. that was president obama and mitt romney colliding in an exchange over benghazi in the october 16th second presidential debate. the washington post dean of political reporters is out with his new book about that campaign. ca...