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Detail and you have a good description of the gunman who we believe is in custody. you believe he was a middle-aged white man, heavy set. was he saying something? you were close you have to be able to get a look at him and to watch him firing his guns. was he saying anything? >> no. he was not saying anything. and i probably -- well, i was on the third base side of home plate -- saw him fire three or four or five or six times that i theeded to figure out that i need to be a whole lot smarter under these circumstances and standing there watching him was not a good idea. that's when i ran around...