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First of all, even in a lot of the blue states, there are pockets of unvaccinated people, and so everybody has work to do. this is not just a pure red state or blue state problem. though, obviously, as you point out, seven states are really driving so many of the infections across the country. second is i think this is a time for people to step up, people who were apolitical. university presidents have to step up in all states and say they've got to mandate vaccines. that should happen everywhere in america. so if we see civil society stepping up, we can get rid of this blue state and red stat...

And so everybody's hawork to do. this is not just a pure red state or blue state problem though obviously as you point out seven states are reel driving so many of the infections across the country. second is i think this is a time for people to step up, people who were apolitical. university presidents have to step up in all states and say they've got to mandate vaccines. that should happen everywhere in america. so if we see civil society stepping up, we can get rid of this blue state and red state stuff and just get people protected. >> can you tell me -- i mean a lot of what i think people...

Wearing our masks and getting mandates? if the rest of the country doesn't follow suit, will it really help the whole country? >> nikole, thanks for having me, first of all. it's a great question. i would say two things, first of all. even in the blue states, there are pockets of unvaccinated people so everybody has work to do. this is not just a red or blue state problem. there are seven states where they are driving infections across the country, really. second, i think this is a time for people to step up, people who are apolitical, university presidents have to stand up and mandate back sc...

Between some states and others and it really is almost a red, blue state problem. blue states have higher vaccination rates, red generally lower. dr. fauci says you are going to see outbreaks in those states, are we likely to see now regional rather than national spikes or outbreaks in covid-19. >> that's exactly right. we can look at the national numbers and maybe the level of infection might even look steady or might even look like they're going a good direction. there still could be regional hot spots. that's exactly what we're seeing now. so i think the effort needs to be more of a ground ...

There is a lot of pressure as you say on lawmakers to do something about. this yet, on the other hand, people want deficit reduction, people want the government to control spending. but, you can't have it both ways. >> rick, your observation was that this is not a red state, blue state problem. this is a national problem. >> that's right. if you look at who is being impacted by this, it is urban areas, it's rural areas, it's around the country. it's about the economy in individual places. i think a lot of of times you look at these numbers and you realize people are trying to get work again. b...