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Regime change. their assumption will be that's what's coming towards them. that is going to be our retaliation. we have to communicate with them clearly as we're undertaking the investigation saying we're going to conduct our investigations within this zone. >> that is a sobering assessment, general marx. are we under that big of a threat? >> as matthew indicated, if this is by definition extension, it has all the potential of being and from the perspective of moscow, it is marching down that path. the thing that i take comfort in, as bob indicated, this is a counter, potential counter intelli...

Here to make a strategy eic decision as to whether we want to compete. we can't give away the crown jewels, but at the same time, we have to find common ground where we can find a confluence of interest. syria is not one of those areas. clearly in eastern ukraine, that is a real opportunity where the united states can exercise some influence and find some common ground fthat gives russia an incentive to back away, but that is very much a tactical fight right now. and in order to break those parties apart, the separatists and russian-backed forces, there have to be sanctions in place, and mosco...

Of gentlemen in that when they conduct their negotiations and their engagements, they can close the door behind them and say, look, you're dealing with me. despite what the president might tweet, you're dealing with me, and here are the factors that we're going to talk about. these are very serious, very focussed individuals. so i think from that perspective, extension gets a little bit of an air brake release, but it still is out there and needs to be addressed. >> bob, this seems like a long game for putin, because again, as we are distracted back here, some may wonder, are those folks empow...

They feel their country's being demonized and that it hampering any efforts to repair relations. every new revelation makes those ties more complicated and more toxic, and any effort at bringing them back on track more challenging. fred pleitgen, cnn, moscow. >> let's discuss all of this with the director from the wilson center and major general james marx. and bob fare. matthew, you just heard the reporting. you were recently in russia, what did you find? >> you know, my sense, don, is that this is way worse than russians being uncomfortable with allegations they think are unfounded. you hear...