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>> kimberly: they're not. >> eric: they're not. give me one metric that is -- >> bob: manufacturing. >> eric: it's not better than four years ago. bob it was. >> eric: it's better than when he took over, but it's not better -- better than his first year. absolutely. things are starting to turn around. there is no recession in the history of the planet that lasts more than three years. >> bob: what was the date today four years ago? >> eric: 2008, may 7. >> bob: go back -- >> greg: that is the strangest question ever. >> bob: look at the numbers for may 7, 2008. >> eric: you can't say this, tho...

>> kimberly: they're not. >> eric: they're not. give me one metric that is -- >> bob: manufacturing. >> eric: it's not better than four years ago. bob it was. >> eric: it's better than when he took over, but it's not better -- better than his first year. absolutely. things are starting to turn around. there is no recession in the history of the planet that lasts more than three years. >> bob: what was the date today four years ago? >> eric: 2008, may 7. >> bob: go back -- >> greg: that is the strangest question ever. >> bob: look at the numbers for may 7, 2008. >> eric: you can't say this, tho...