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Going out. >> neil: we'll watch it closely. bob nardelli. thanks very much. built in to the cake on whatever spending we get out of this super infrastructure package, whatever you want to call it, the rich will foot the bill. we learned that the rich are good at shifting their money around and the shift has just hit the fan after this.
>> neil: does it make a difference, bob, if the overall package is smaller, that could conceivably mean that the addition to the debt -- i agree with you, it is going to be added to the debt. it's not paid for. that that would be at least more welcoming news? >> yeah, again, the definition of free in my vernacular is if you want to have free education, the power is -- the buildings are free, the books are free, the faculty is free. free is when one person doesn't have to pay but you have to pay for everything else. it's a misnomer to say whether it's 3.5 billion or something less. >> neil: but...
There that jen psaki just made. one that the president and mitch mcconnell have not talked. this idea of a carve out to raise the debt creeling that would require a simply majority, that might be less of a point here with the wiggle room that the republican leader has granted chuck schumer to avoid addressing this debt ceiling issue that gets closer by the day. i want to go to bob nardelli on this, the former chrysler home depot ceo. i was mentioning about that back and forth and the confusion of the government to shut down and have the money in october, will it not have the money. clearly mar...
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Both sides trying to find a compromise. and then when the other guest said that this would be a spark, we're way past a spark. this bill would put us into a blaze. i sit on both sides of the table as a consumer and then as a business owner. i would share with you that from a business standpoint as i get price increases and i'm getting them almost in every business i participate, i have no choice but to pass those on either to the end consumer or to the other chair that supplies the eoms, for example. >> neil: equipment manufacturers there. a point well ten. i do want to clarify, bob and you ca...