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And now all of a sudden you got rudy giuliani who's saying and again in a statement to "the new york times" that yes the president was on the phone less than two-minutes talking to his then personal attorney and the president's logic was we should write a check if we are going to pay her off so at least there is a record. let's not pay her in cash. how do they reconcile the two versions of the story? >> i don't think there is any reconciling anymore, craig. as i mentioned earlier i don't believe mr. rudy giuliani is credible on this or many, many other issues that he has addressed. if i want t...

Familiar with the talks says gates is likely so serve about 18 months in prison and forfeit illegal profits. gates' attorney did not respond. this as we learned the special counsel's office added a new claim of bank fraud to the charges against manafort last week. he has pleaded not guilty. joining us from burlington, vermont -- >> looks like he's hitting the slopes this weekend. >> i didn't see you guys on the slopes. yeah, sorry, we have to work. we can't take the studio with us wherever we go. >> obviously, big guy david litman can. >> yeah. >> thanks for joining us this monday. we apprecia...