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Recollections, the pressure it puts on the reporter is that you are never going to be able to do what donald trump is trying to play the game with bob woodward about. who told you that? woodaward has said with these people he will never say i got this directly from jim mattis, from john kelly. the likelihood is he spoke to all of them. but he will never come out -- the reality is in many of these situations he's going to have that same quote knowing how bob works, he's going to have it from the speaker, from the person who heard, it from the people that -- other people in the room, other peopl...

Bob woodward is the gold standard. right? and i think there is -- >> and bob woodward has been in this crossfire before. >> many times before. and look, he's got -- again, you said i'm familiar with it. i am. there's a really very high premium. if you're going to do a book on deep background where you're going to say i'm going to quotem verbatim from meetings, from notes, from people's recollections, the pressure it puts on the reporter is that you are never going to be able to do what donald trump is trying to play the game with bob woodward about. who told you that? woodward has said with th...