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Going to jack up premiums under your own voters is a tough political pill to swallow. it's part of the sort of the untold story of obamacare, which is that president obama's party decided to provide benefit to a lot of people who weren't actually their voters with oba a obamacare so undoing that is very difficult for president trump and republicans in congress who are trying to do the same thing. very difficult for them to do without paying a political price. >> in today's washington post the headline "timing of white house actions, unrolling pca couldn't be worse." why? why is that? >> we're ...

Another. i think you are crazy. >> i think they have to vote their time away from the stupid sequester battles, which don't amount to anything, and dealing with the fact that people are not going to be able to go to the doctor. >> i'm going to point out the sequester, if memory serves me right, the backup is the backbone for those who didn't have it. so the defense was that. the one good thing that came, at least the charade is over. >> their charade is over because this bill increases spending by $62 billion and is a budget gimmick. this airline -- >> and you still have $4 trillion. at a mini...

Months ago? other than she screwed it up. >> what does a chief risk officer of obamacare do? >> what does that person do? >> i think mr. gasparino nailed it, a big company like goldman sachs would have a chief risk supervise trades and make sure they would not do much exposure on trades. if they are doing this for obamacare, this is nonsense. they can add 100 people, 2500 people, it doesn't matter. there are so many that people don't notice. that's the problem with big government, it just gets bigger and bigger and you say, we just add 1% of the people. it gets bigger until it eats up everybod...

Say, we're going to bring in a new captain. well, it's sinking. what do you do? a navigator, exactly. >> i know there's lots of pre-holiday laughter here and that your job -- >> actually, no, there's not. there's not a lot of holiday mercy, but go ahead. >> my job is to defend obamacare. so i'll give you a real-life example from the business world. way back when when ebates' site crashed, she didn't fire anybody but brought in a new team of people to fix the site. they worked on it really hard. they are going to try to -- >> wait a minute, you are comparing this with a site that auctions off v...

Loser and the american public is worried about the deficit. >> we are saying this particular deal. the bottom line is that it doesn't stop. it just does not stop growing. >> this deal frees up congress to do real work because what they have to deal with, let me finish, let me finish, they'll have to deal with obamacare. instead of government shutdowns, because we have to buy the government, bottom line is -- >> what do you really think they are going to do with obamacare? >> i don't know, but it's a train wreck. and smart people have to put their heads together and figure it out because this i...