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Counsel's mandate really is. but the judge accused the special counsel's prosecutors. you heard jessica saying they're interested in manafort because he could potentially provide material that would lead to trump's prosecution or impeachment. again, it's pretty incredible to hear a judge say this. right, an impartial observer, someone who's supposed to be impartial. when you were being interviewed this week by investigators for bob mueller, did you get that m impression? that they were looking for prosecution or impeachment or not? >> i certainly believed they were looking to jam me up. in tha...

This is a witch hunt. can't we understand that? >> paul, do you think it's a witch hunt or do you put more stake in what the president's close advisers are saying, which is they believe the investigation of michael cohen is a greater and more imminent threat to the president than bob b mueller's investigation. >> i was agreeing with r cortez until the last statement. i don't think voters cared at all that mr. trump had had a checker ed, colorful private life. why then pay stormy daniels $130,000. no allegation that it was not consentual. miss daniels in her interview. >> very clear it was cons...

Myov mind of sending a clear signal to curb ni, cohen, flynn, that you can go ahead if you are, you get wrapped up in this, you're caught lying to the fbi, committing a crime and national security, it's okay. i'll take care of you. because we know trump u values loyalty above all else. now, sarah sanders was asked basically what you're saying today, if there was a reason for the pardon. whether it was for trump to send a signal to bob mueller or as you're pointing out, who might be charged with him or might cooperate with him. here's the exchange. >> was the president sending some sort of sign...

Tim neftali. will we look back at this as a turning point in the trump presidency? >> well, we'll look at this certainly as a turning point, but i think we'll also look at this as increasing income mall distribution of the united states. we're up to a point we haven't been since 1929. when over 20%, when 0.1% of all households controlled, owned 22% of the country's income. we haven't been this at this point since 1929 and this is going to make it worse. so i think that some of the consequences of this law were not going to see for a while, but whether he see that as a turning point and not in ...

Of pushing for impeachment in the house of representatives. i think that if the president engineered a series of moves to remove mr. mueller and destroy the special counsel investigation that you would see a stampede towards impeachment and so the -- political crisis. >> you're saying if the president fired bob b mueller, you would push for impeachment and many of your colleagues would? >> i think it would be a clearly impeachable offense because it would constitute obstruction of justice. the same kind of obstruction of justice when he fired fbi director comey after comey refused to drop the ...