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Hinman, that the cops would have to think the real killers were still on the loose. and if they thought that, they would release bobby beausoleil. but the key to these copycat killings, manson decided, was to find a high-profile victim. >> if it's somebody famous. and the newspapers the, tv are making a big deal out of it, then it will work. they'll have to let bobby go. >> free bobby and maybe touch off helter skelter by framing the black panthers. all the states, 1969. late. susan atkins, sexy sadie, dressed in black and headed out to of spahn ranch. >> sadie hung out of the car window and y...

And they're trying to help them with those pieces but we can't do it for them. the iraqis got to figure that piece out. i'm getting the support up to the front lines and if they don't they're going to fail. >> all right. thanks very much. it's an awful situation over there. seems to be deteriorating by the hour as we speak. guys thanks very much. james reese, bobby go always good to get your perspective. still ahead, more perspective. senator risch about to join us. he's been meeting here in washington with the iraqi prime minister and the iraqi prime minister has been a peeling for u.s. aid. ...