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Quite yet, even if we have to change drink-making. no, this is an issue. folks on the right believe government should be smaller, tinier. and so things that appear to make it that way, like cutting taxes such that the government doesn't have as much revenue to spend on things are held supreme. they don't function under the normal laws, because they are a matter of principle. but when you're right to balance a budget, when you're trying to run an economy, principle and pragmatism can sometimes come into conflict. and that's what we have here. you can't do this. you can't balance a budget, you c...

Principles. is that your experience here as well, that democrats are sort of buying into this ridiculous line? >> absolutely. and there's a real problem here. the deficit conversation is a tough conversation, because you can never tell if people are actually talking about the deficit. the deficit conversation works really, really well for minority parties. because two things. one, during a recession, you need to have a deficit. it's how the government increases economic activity. that's why it's so important. that's what stimulus funding is. adding money to the economy. you tax it, cut it from...

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