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One, they understood that their members of congress cared about them, their constituents, and not other people and, two, they understood that they weren't setting the agenda for the next eight years, the democrats controlled the house, they controlled the senate, they had the presidency, but the tea party could play defense. they could respond to everything coming down the pike and say no. >> so that's a crucial strategic point you make. you basically say, listen, as liberals we would love to focus on a positive agenda for how we would like to do things different but as long as there's zero po...

Exclusively. >> i don't think progressives should give up the idea of a bold progressive future, that's important but if you're an advocate on the ground talking to representative goodlatte or anybody else, you'll be responding to what congress is doing today. yesterday it was trying to make congress even more corrupt than congress already is. tomorrow it's going to be something bad, too. so you have the power to just say this is unacceptable and we've seen that happening all over the country now. you're talking about a bubbling up movement. we're seeing it. yesterday was the first proof of co...

Affect members of congress. you're basically saying, listen, form letters, don't bother, online petitions, nice but it's not the thing that makes a difference to the member of congress on the ground. is that fair to say? >> that's absolutely right. the tea party really understood a couple things about how their members of congress thought. one, they understood that their members of congress cared about them, their constituents, and not other people and, two, they understood that they weren't setting the agenda for the next eight years, the democrats controlled the house, they controlled the se...