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Essentially being russian territory, that is still recognizing the independence of those two regions, right? not annexing them as he did in 2014. i wonder what you made of that strategy in that position he's taking now. >> i think it's actually really too early to tell whether he's going to annex those territories in the end or not. with his decision-making process is going to be. in 2014 when the occupation of crimea began -- putin did exactly that. he recognized putin and annexed it and integrated it into russia. we actually saw his security council meeting that he held with his various mini...

Putin did the same thing with his solders in syria, and it is horrific. and a lot of this does happen in darkness, but the light that is being shown on this is happening online, i say this to you because i've been speaking with several ukrainian and russian friends. there is communication going on between ukrainians and russians on an app called telegram, they are speaking to each other. this is happening behind the scenes to make sure that these stories, that the truth gets to in particular the russian people, because putin obviously wants his message and to clamp down on the media there to s...

How much progress we could make on the economy and a much more slow drag kind of difficulty and pain that so many families are feeling if these parties would work together on the economic recovery, as well as they appear to be doing on the storm recovery. >> so i repeat to you, jared, the question, do you share mike viqueira's sin skpichl skepticism -- >> you know, it's a funny thing, when i hear mike say it, i think it's right, but i don't really share it. >> because you're an optimist. >> i'm an optimist. but i think everybody is saying, i hope that this kind of bipartisanship could last, be...