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Making decisions, of how he was operating in the white house, that's really problematic for president trump, that's why even with jeff sessions doing a lot of stuff president trump wanted, he's angry at jeff sessions because essentially jeff sessions refusal put into effect a domino effect of interviews. >> and richard and david, we're talking about the chaos domestically, but as we discussed earlier today, the chaos diplomatically, and on the foreign policy stage just keeps getting worse. and richard, let's start with you with rex tillerson, his performance this weekend. the kcastrated of sec...

Sane and rational -- i suspect they are more sane and rational than american media gev them credit for being. they want a nuclear weapon because they want to be in the club and don't want to happen to them what happened to gadhafi. why would they sign a deal when in the short term it would be thrown away? >> they wouldn't. secretary of state saying we'll continue talking to north korea until the first bomb drops. call me mad cap but i thought the secretary of state, among others, is to make sure the bombs don't drop. why would north korea have a negotiation with us? why would we want a second ...