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Trying to get that case thrown out. he'll take that for as long as it takes. but then if you do have a judgment against him, and i imagine the police officers case could have judgments of 100 million dollars each against him, just massive judgments against him. he will then constantly be going into court fighting the collection of the judgment, which you know as a lawyer is the really final part of civil litigation. it's one thing to get a judgment against someone, it's an entirely different legal exercise to try to pull the money out of them. and i would expect on trump to literally spend the...

Branches of government. we are bringing this in our private capacity, and that would allow us to learn a lot more than anyone has learned in this endeavor. >> and we have seen a similar situation, a lawsuit against donald trump in new york. she has managed to, it took quite a while, especially because it started while he was still president, but she is managed to get him under oath in a deposition, where, of course, donald trump took the fifth amendment many many times. as he may well do. if and when you get him under oath in a deposition in your case. but what is very clear now a civil proced...

Asserting the fifth amendment mean something completely different in a civil proceeding. it can in ways be used against you whereas in a criminal proceeding the jury's told you can't use that against a defendant or witness. and so again, we believe that this is a big day for us, a big day in seeking accountability, and for the sake of the case we are bringing, it's a big day for discovering much much more evidence about what donald trump did to inspire, insight, and a mad mob at the capitol. >> as you go forward, what do you expect the timetable to be in this lawsuit? >> if we survive the cour...

Take the case. and in many of the cases around the 2020 election and donald trump, the court decided not to take the case, and so if the supreme court decided not to take an appeal from donald trump we would go right to discovery and depositions, but we do expect that whoever comes out on top in this ruling that it will be appealed in the supreme court in that decision and that decision will be pivotal. >> what is your reaction to the ethics committee today announcing an investigation, a formal investigation of george santos? >> we don't need the ethics committee to remove george santos from t...

Of faking it till you make it here, and until that changes, people worry that what happened in theranos could happen again. james clayton, bbc news. with more on the verdict here's our north america correspondent, peter bowes. this is a very mixed verdict. yes, she has been found guilty on four counts of fraud and conspiracy, but also not guilty on four of those counts as well and the jury couldn't reach a decision on a further three charges. and it's evident that these jurors sitting for some seven days during their deliberations struggled with these decisions. and i think that is symptomatic...