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Transaction was undermined by giuliani's following statement. it's a mess. >> you know way too much, laura. >> so does mueller, apparently. >> batting down every argument. >> when we come back, from america's mayor to trump's top defender. how rudy giuliani has changed over the years. i'm going to talk to someone who knew him well. or knows him well next.
Reimbursing someone for a payoff without actually -- >> yeah, if you're in the mafia. >> he was doing a lot more than just paying off folks. he must have -- >> the president -- >> right. >> in addition to that. i wouldn't sing sarah's demise all that soon. and i wouldn't. the reason for that is, we don't know what the president knew, when the president knew it, as it related to the payments and when the payments were made. we don't know any of those facts. >> giuliani said he only knew about it ten days ago. >> we know he watches television >> about when this whole story broke and the presiden...
James comey was fired as fbi director. what does this mean for the mueller investigation and the white house? jack quinn is here. counsel to watergate special prosecutors. good evening. welcome to the program. glad to have you all here. this is now the third justification that we have heard for james comey's firing. first the president said comey was fired over his handling of the 6 e-mail. then the president said this in his interview with lester holt. >> regardless of recommendation, i was going to fire comey knowing there was no good time to do it. and, in fact, when i decided to do it, i s...
>> did you know about the payments? did you know about the $130,000 payments to stormy daniels? >> no. >> do you know where he got the money to make that payment? >> i don't know. >> do you think there's a legal strategy behind giuliani revealing that the president did repay michael cohen? >> only if stupid is a strategy, no. what he did is give more exposure to the mount of the united states. remember, if it was a loan, it was still an excessive campaign contribution that needed to be reported to the election commission. if he repaid it, that would also be part of the reporting environments. ...
Should i pay her he waited until 10 days ago? >> does that -- does anyone believe that. >> we haven't heard from the white house or the president on that i think we -- >> yes, we have. he lied. he said on air force one, i don't know anything about it. that's a lie. >> the way that rudy giuliani laid this out, looks to me as if they went back and said, okay, what story can we make up with the facts that are here, the facts that we're paying cohen $35,000 a month for a retainer, he's not doing much, let's figure out -- what we can say to fit this square peg into this round hole. >> the key event...