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>> well, i think that's -- that was the major reason secretary shulkin got canned. he had a boneheaded incident with the travel thing but i think he was fighting with political appointees in his own agent. i must admit there is an argument that the va, which is an absolutely national treasure to the veterans -- once you're in it, in the system, they're just terrific docs, medical care is first rate. we spend a ton of money supporting our veterans. the most generous nation on the face of the earth to our veterans. but the va's got endemic problems. they've had a lot of problems with institution...

Privatizing more of the va, and there are two distinct opinions about that. what's your take on that? >> well, i think that's -- that was the major reason secretary shulkin got canned. he had a boneheaded incident with the travel thing but i think he was fighting with political appointees in his own agent. i must admit there is an argument that the va, which is an absolutely national treasure to the veterans -- once you're in it, in the system, they're just terrific docs, medical care is first rate. we spend a ton of money supporting our veterans. the most generous nation on the face of the ea...

I must admit, though, it's unusual to have someone of that background who's been running for 12 years now, he's been running a couple hundred people in the white house, to now be in charge of $180 billion budget, 380,000 employees. and it's not just health care. i mean, there's 131 cemeteries for gosh sakes. veterans benefits program, which is byzantine beyond belief. it's a very unusual appointment. we've got to wish him well. >> some people say this is another possible step toward privatizing more of the va, and there are two distinct opinions about that. what's your take on that? >> well, i...