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Is innocent. >> that's true. not quite as harsh on oj simpson. but i have my suspicions. >> you said a proponent of innocence until proven guilty. >> we don't have proof. >> if i think the proof is there, therefore i think they are guilty and therefore i think the proof was there. he had a clever attorney who got him out of it. >> if you read kailly's book called a plus b equals -- well, you will get a bullet in your mind. parenthesis, you better recognize. it is a great book, kailey. >> thank you. >> you can -- you can get it at the redisused rate. >> yes. she teaches a case of thuggery. >> i...